hossrex (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Are you honestly telling me that in your opinion, it takes more of a leap of faith to believe someone is a liar, and con man... than it does to believe he's actually brainwashing someone in a four minute video, just by touching her shoulder, and planting key words? You think my skeptical attitude is wrong, because its MORE likely that an admitted conman/liar is telling the truth? Thats hilarious. You're awesome.

Cacadore (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Look at some trees on a distant hill (in Summer). Ask someone what colour it is. They'll say 'green'. Take a photo of it. It'll be blue. Now ask, why did he say 'green'?

Cacadore (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

hossrex, 'The bottom line is you believe him because he says you "you should believe me",' No. I just followed the methods he uses. It takes a leap of faith to believe that they don't have any effect.

hossrex (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

It seems they do, because Derren says "believe me", and they say "okay". They like to pretend they have a greater reason to think they have an understanding of Derren, but they never do. It is *ALWAYS* a matter of "he told me to believe him, so I have/did". I find it personally comedic that seemingly intelligent people would automatically believe an admitted liar, simply because that liar told them to believe him. Seems stupid when you put is t his way, eh? Yet thats how he does his thing.

chumber20 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

i dont know if its true or false, but hey thnks for reminding all of us that we cant prove or disprove it with absolute certainty. its good to be skeptic untill one doesnt have sufficient evidence. i dont have it yet, but the level of confidence that others are displaying, it seems they do...

ShadowWaker101 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

It's simply seen if you pay observation. He uses one shoulder to represent certainty and one that represents uncertainty. Then relating those shoulders to colors can suggest a person to perceive things differently. I'm thinking that's how it works, I know it relates to him tapping/holding her shoulder. Brilliant.

hossrex (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Occam's razor: "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best." It doesn't matter whats possible, it matters what he's doing. If you believe he'd hypnotizing her (after a fashion), than thats fine. It however is not the most logical conclusion, nor is it frankly the most likely considering the avenue of use he makes of his "abilities". The bottom line is you believe him because he says you "you should believe me", which is the stupidest reason ever to believe someone.

Cacadore (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

hossrex, Come on: the skils he uses to implant temporary suggestions are well-known. Play the tape and listen to the timing of his suggestions. Peer confirmation is a powerful means of distorting reality. Look, outside 'white' light is actually blue, inside 'white' light is actually yellow - read an optical artical. But are we aware that white things have colour? Liguistic socialisation always overrides perception. It's not rocket science. You're not thinking. It's not rocket science

kekomigeri (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Outstanding example demonstrated as usual by Derren Brown. However, this would be better described as anchoring. Not Swish. Great vid!

hossrex (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Thank you. My entire point goes back to the old axiom (from the days where printed media was the only media) of "don't believe everything you read". People who say he's telling the truth, simply because he's saying it are basically saying "no... its okay. Just believe everything you read." Believing everything someone in the media tells you makes you mentally retarded, regardless of who that person is. That people would say that isn't true is hilarious to me. TRUST EVERYONE! LOL!